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posted by srboisvert to Sports, Hobbies, & Recreation (16 answers total)
The central difference between pure chance games like craps and roulette and strategic games like blackjack and poker is that there is no correlation between events in the chance games. Any roll of the dice or spin of the wheel is completely independant of all previous rolls or spins. With poker and blackjack cards are dealt from a known set. Once you see your cards, you know what the other players and dealer cannot have.
posted by b1tr0t at 1:05 PM on September 23, 2004
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1) After X number of games, you could conceivably count or mark the cards, though either option is risky.
2) In some cases, you can lower the house/dealer's odds with a good hand, though it's roughly
a 1% difference. The monent the dice leave your hand, the odds in your favor outside of pure chance are astronomically higher.
posted by Smart Dalek at 1:18 PM on September 23, 2004
Counting cards, though legal, is for obvious reasons forwned upon, and if the casino even suspects that you are doing it (the telltale sign is drastically raising and lowering your bets as deck conditions change - most casual blackjack players play pretty similar bets from hand to hand) they will kick you out. It is also very difficult to learn and perform, and most people who try to count cards simply end up worsening their odds. So the moral to the story is if you are just looking for the game that will hurt you the least on your next trip to Vegas, play craps and stick to the line bets. The odds in blackjack aren't significantly worse, however, so both games are a good option.
posted by ChasFile at 1:28 PM on September 23, 2004
posted by jmd82 at 1:58 PM on September 23, 2004
With craps you have a similar theory (There are certain rules, probability, so forth.) the big difference is that in Craps you can bet against the thrower . What this means is that there is an added element of human fallibility in Craps. Simple example: the Craps thrower is on a streak, at a certain point you can see he/she is getting carried away by the emotion of playing. You can then place a bet that the thrower will lose the next toss. In other words a little bit of player psychology and you can end run around most of the odds.
It's not a sure thing but the odds are better.
posted by jeremias at 2:16 PM on September 23, 2004
posted by mbd1mbd1 at 2:30 PM on September 23, 2004
That being said, I think craps does have better odds than blackjack, assuming that you're not counting cards correctly in blackjack (as has been said here already). In addition, I've always just found craps to be much more fun than blackjack, and I think its because everyone in craps is betting on the same thing (assuming everyone bets the pass line, which almost everyone does). In blackjack all anyone cares about it their own personal battle with the dealer. I've also never had anyone at a craps table bitch at me for taking a card that should have been theirs. The energy at a craps table just feels better, I guess.
posted by Inkoate at 2:39 PM on September 23, 2004
The only way this helps you is if you think the shooter can control what he's rolling, or if you believe that luck comes in streaks. I hope we're all sophisticated enough to agree that each roll of the dice is probabilistically independent, but I wouldn't bet against some experienced, skillful shooters being able to roll certain numbers consistently. A lot of people who seem to be 'lucky' always stand at the same position on the table, always set the dice the same way, always pick them up with the same grip, and always throw them the same way. Obviously, you're not always going to roll the same thing, but if you reduce the input variability significantly, you probably have a good chance at reducing the outcome's variability somewhat.
As others have said, the line bets in craps favor the house by the smallest inherent amount (the 'vig.') In fact, when you bet odds, you get exactly the return you'd expect from the raw probabilities.
Betting against the thrower ('don't pass') doesn't actually put you in the position of having the edge, though, because you don't win if the shooter comes out snake eyes or boxcars (you'll see either 'Bar 2' or 'Bar 12' on the felt). If you won on any craps by betting 'Don't Pass,' you'd have a slight statistical edge.
posted by spacewrench at 2:44 PM on September 23, 2004
Unless you have a blackjack, in which case you should take the insurance, sometimes called 'taking even money' if the dealer has a black jack, the insurance pays off and (net) you win what you wagered. If the dealer doesn't have blackjack you loose your insurance, but your blackjack pays off at the higher rate, and you (net, again) win what you wagered.
posted by Capn at 2:54 PM on September 23, 2004
One thing to think about as well is the variance of each game. To take full advantage of the craps odds at, say, a 10x table with a $5 minimum you'd have to put down $55 dollars. Obviously you can win quite a bit with this amount on the table, or you could lose quite a bit. Compare that to a $5 blackjack table (assuming you play only $5 each hand), where only very rarely will you have more than $20 at a time at risk. The odds are worse, but you will lose (and win) slower.
That's why I usually spend most of my table gambling time playing blackjack, but consider craps to be much more fun.
posted by jess at 4:02 PM on September 23, 2004
A few years a buddy of mine and I went to Vegas after he'd 'perfected' winning 44 inside ($44 on 5, 6, 8, and 9, I think) against his computer. My total gambling budget for the weekend was $100, and I lost 44 inside on the first two throws.
And I think we can all agree that Don't Come is an awful thing to bet on.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:39 PM on September 23, 2004
I always preferred craps to blackjack for odds, just because craps is one of the only games where you are in control of the gameplay. There are some casinos that won't even let you touch the cards at a blackjack table. The dealers have dealt so much that their movements are robotic, and it is truly uninspiring to play such a game. With craps, you hold your fate in your own hands.
I always liked that idea.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 5:32 PM on September 23, 2004
posted by Mrmuhnrmuh at 6:32 PM on September 23, 2004
Unless you have a blackjack, in which case you should take the insurance, sometimes called 'taking even money' if the dealer has a black jack, the insurance pays off and (net) you win what you wagered.
Never.
Let me say that again, never.
(Unless you have a true count of +3 or more if you're card counting.)
It's simple mathematics. The dealer's chance of getting a 10-card on top of that Ace is 4/13 which is about 30.77%.
You on the other hand, will get 50% more for your bet with your blackjack. And 69.23% of the time, you will make more money.
Do it on an Excel spreadsheet and you will know I make sense.
Play with maths, not emotion. ;)
(former card-counter)
posted by madman at 11:31 PM on September 23, 2004
posted by Dome-O-Rama at 4:56 AM on September 24, 2004
If it's the latter, we're splitting hairs on this, aren't we? I don't know the math, but I can't imagine that your odds in craps vs. blackjack, assuming you know how not to make obviously bad bets, are far enough apart to affect your level of play.
Go and play what you enjoy more. Me, I like the group dynamic of craps more than blackjack.
posted by mkultra at 7:49 AM on September 24, 2004
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If you wanted to, you could spend all day ruminating about the concept of what makes something better than something else. Here’s a Stanford University page on the philosophy that explains “value theory” if you’re curious about “what is better.”
Asking if blackjack is better than roulette is a lot like asking what a best-selling beer does for you. Some people will scream it “tastes great” while others will argue it’s “less filling.” It’s pretty subjective. The comparison for blackjack and roulette is a lot similar.
It’s all about context, isn’t it?
I’m sure the old adage about sauce for gooses and ganders only works for the casino. They don’t care where the player loses money as long as everyone is having fun.
Since gambling is best enjoyed as entertainment, comparing blackjack and roulette feels like comparing a 5-course meal to an elite buffet. As long as the food is good in both places, everyone should be happy.
Everyone has his or her own preferences. So, when a beginning gambler is trying to decide between the meal of blackjack or the roulette buffet, they’ll have to decide which suits their diet best.
The rules for deciding which game is best in gambling should be simple.
- Where do I consistently lose the most money?
- Where do I enjoy the most wins?
- Am I having fun?
But what is the best way to explain the pros and cons of both games to a beginner?
Imagine taking your kids to the casino on their 21st birthday. They finally get to enjoy a night with the adults. Here’s how I would compare the two games to my kids:
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Blackjack Is More Quietly Social Than Roulette
People chat away at blackjack tables, but the conversation is more subdued in my experience. Many players are more relaxed than the folks standing at the roulette tables.
For someone who is taking it all in for the first time, blackjack is a good game where you can explain odds and probabilities. You can’t sit there and count cards out loud for a newbie gambler, but you can explain the game patiently.
I’ve stood next to more than one roulette table where some young guy screamed loudly every time the ball landed in his zone. It’s hard to hold a conversation like that.
Other times the casino may be running slow. You can stand at the roulette table and explain the game to someone because there are no other players. The croupiers are efficient and professional.
I’ve never felt inclined to talk to strangers at a roulette table. I’m more willing to chit with the chatters when seated for blackjack. It feels more intimate.
Blackjack Is Less Likely to Take Your Money
I once watched a guy place substantial bets on five individual numbers. That was his system. His money didn’t last long.
You can bet the table limit in blackjack and burn through a small bankroll quickly. But comparatively speaking, blackjack players are more conservative than single-number roulette players.
You’re not at the blackjack table to get rich. You’re there to play a game that requires skill. Any fool can drop $100 on a single number in roulette.
The player is responsible for his wagers. I’ve watched people drop a couple thousand dollars on blackjack. I’ve lost as much as $500 myself.
If you take the time to think about the game, you become more cautious. Deciding whether to split 5s is much harder than deciding not to split 10s. (You should never split either, by the way.)
In roulette, I quickly grow bored with placing all my money in 2-for-1 zones. Sometimes I bet $25 on a single number. I’ve never won that bet, but it was fun while it lasted.
Roulette Is Designed to Give You an Adrenaline Rush
If you want an exciting game, then play roulette or craps. Roulette is easier to understand, so introduce your kid to casino excitement through roulette first.
A seasoned blackjack player may catch on quickly when someone else is running the table. Maybe the guy is only lucky, but he wins a lot of hands. There’s a certain quiet excitement in watching someone play so well.
In roulette, if there’s a crowd around the table, everyone may give a shout when a person wins a risky bet. The excitement grows as the croupier pushes a stack of chips toward a player.
Although the gameplay in blackjack can proceed faster than a slow roulette table, roulette seems to take less time to resolve. That adrenaline rush can go on for a while when the crowd is hot, and the table is paying.
With enough players betting on the wheel, roulette looks a lot like the way it’s shown in the movies. Someone is always getting chips, even if it’s not the same player. The crowd loves a winner.
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Crowds are drawn to excitement. If people are hanging around a table, there is a reason. I see groups converge on roulette more often than for blackjack. If your newbie gambler likes attention, this may be the game for them.
Players Have More Control Over Risk in Roulette
There are more options in roulette than in blackjack. And unlike blackjack, where the player must wait for cards to be dealt to adjust the risk they take, everything is decided at once in roulette.
The game is entirely passive, but players can choose from a wider variety of options than in blackjack.
How often do you get four or five splits in a single hand of blackjack?
Players who want to throw caution to the winds and challenge the luck gods prefer roulette to blackjack. It’s easier to try a different idea every game. In blackjack, the draw of the cards limits the players’ choices.
Players can also balance their risk in roulette. Place a low-risk outside bet in a 2-for-1 zone and then place a couple of higher-risk inside bets on 4-number points.
More People Can Play a Roulette Table Than a Blackjack Table
This varies by casino. Some casinos place seats around their roulette tables. Even if you can stand and bet, the seats take up space.
Blackjack tables max out at seven players, no matter what. If there is sufficient demand and available staff, the casino will open more blackjack tables.
The same is true for roulette. As the day shifts into evening, more people gravitate toward the roulette tables. Only one wheel may have been active in the slow afternoon, but if a casino has extra, they certainly will open up several more in the evening.
Yet, there is usually no specified limit on the number of players for a roulette table. If 12 people can stand around the table and keep their chips separate, that should be okay.
In a busy casino, roulette may be the easier game to get into. Availability always varies by venue, but it’s been my experience that even on busy nights there’s always room for one more at a roulette table.
And that is where all the yelling and screaming comes from. The bigger the crowd at a table, the more likely they get excited. All they are waiting for is someone to score a nice win.
Conclusion
When comparing the merits of both games, most people start talking about the house edge.
But what is the chance you’ll split five times versus scoring a blackjack on a single draw?
There are multiple edges within each game. The chance of the ball landing on any 1 number ranges from 1-in-37 to 1-in-39, depending on the roulette variation you’re playing. The chance of the ball landing on either black or red is just under 50%.
The payoff odds in both games are adjusted to ensure the house makes a profit in the long run. The real question for me has always been about where I think I have a shot at getting my money back.
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That is most often blackjack.
But roulette is a decent fallback game for conservative players who want to take on a little more risk. It’s best to set a limit on how much risk you take before you begin placing your chips.
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After all, the night is longer for those who must drive home early than for those who drive home as winners.
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